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Die Ahnentafel der Frohner

Es ist wohl für jedermann interessant zu wissen, woher er abstammt und wer seine Vorfahren waren bzw. wie und wo diese gelebt haben. Normalerweise kennt man seine Vorfahren aus eigener Anschauung und eigenem Erleben bis zu den Großeltern zurück und aus Erzählungen etwa der Großeltern bis maximal zu deren Großeltern, also über etwa 4 Generationen, was jedenfalls rund ein Jahrhundert abdeckt. Inschriften von Grabsteinen, in seltenen Fällen auch solche of plaques, which are publicly available written sources.

The widely branched family of the Frohner has a center in the United Inzersdorf Zistersdorf in the wine district of Lower Austria. In the United Inzersdorf live 4 lines of Frohner who knew but not sure if and how they were in the past, kinship, or are connected. Also comes from the United Inzersdorf a particularly efficient and successful Frohner, in 1829, born Johann Frohner, who was a culinary pioneer, a successful hotelier, for example, as a founder and first manager of the Hotel Imperial in Vienna, and, finally, landlords, racing team manager and a patron of culture as a widely recognized Man of the society was. In the second half of the 19th Century was intended by him or for him a nobility to which we also tried a needle already was present prove. It should have in the Thirty Years War, a Joseph Joachim Frohner in the expulsion of the "Winter King" of Bohemia (Elector Friedrich V von der Pfalz, in January 1620 used for the deposition of the Habsburgs by the rebellious Bohemian nobles as king) participated and those to Holland have followed, for which he should have been knighted. Descendants of this Frohner should have acted in several Royal Bavarian services or in Franconia and the Palatinate was active be.

The systematic genealogy of the Frohner - clan had to solve to two primary questions: •

depend how the individual Frohner - lines in the United Inzersdorf (and beyond) and where they come together?
• Are there demonstrable among the ancestors of anyone who may have played in the Thirty Years War political / military role, possibly for or otherwise outstanding as was knighted?

The investigation had to be carried out impartially and based on unequivocal, written sources. It should include also the time to the Thirty Years War and this may . Include This was possible and through utilization of the following documents:

• The matriculation of the parish of Great Inzersdorf (lists of births / baptisms, marriages and deaths / burials), which concluded from the present to establishing this parish in the reform of the church organization back under the Emperor Josef II in 1783.

• The matriculation of the parish Zistersdorf, which before 1783 was in charge of pastoral care in the United Inzersdorf since its inception in 1160 and where the matriculation books available since 1626 in unbroken succession to the present are (only the marriage register in 1663 - 1706 missing). Why the existing matriculation books of the parish Zistersdorf use 1626, has been looking to explore as well. This is historical and is outlined in an annex to this document (see Appendix I). In any case, extends the lifespan of persons who can be from 1626 in the marriage records or death records of the parish Zistersdorf back usually about the beginning of Dreißgjährigen War (1620 Battle of White Mountain, 1618 Second Defenestration of Prague), and even nearly 1600 over the year .

• The Urbarialakte Wolkersdorf the rule to which the Village (Large) Inzersdorf from 1542 and was in turn in the personal property of the Emperor. In the land registers the individual peasant holdings of the villages are listed, belonging to a basic rule. The basic rule had the paramount ownership of the individual farmsteads and a farming village, which they had to pay administrative and defense services and took care of the lower courts. The farmers themselves had to be made to the landlord's duties (such as the tithe) and services (Robot by hand or with draft animals). The basic rule led to it by their subjects owed taxes and services of individual peasant holdings, the land registers, which is usually divided into whole or half feudal fiefs, listed what the individual farmer in taxes and services zu leisten hatte. Ebenso wurden die Namen der Verpflichteten festgehalten. Die Herrschaft Wolkersdorf besitzt diese Urbarialakte ab 1553 und der Heimatforscher und Groß Inzersdorfer Oberlehrer August Neuhuber hat auf Grund dieser Urbarialakte ab 1553 die Hausbesitzer ( = Bauern ) namentlich zusammengestellt bis in die Nachkriegszeit des 2. Weltkriegs. Es ist also bekannt, wer in Groß Inzersdorf ab 1553 Besitzer eines Bauernhofes ( Halblehner oder Ganzlehner ) war und welche Abgaben und Dienste er seinerzeit wem ( Herrschaft Wolkersdorf, Pfarre Zistersdorf ) leisten musste.

• Persönliche Erhebungen unter Zeitgenossen über deren Daten und die ihrer Anverwandten, insbesondere auch im Zuge der Frohner – Treffen in Groß Inzersdorf (2005) and Loidesthal (2003, 2008, 2009).

depend on how the Frohner - along lines?

The compiled to the previously described manner pedigree that has more than 1,200 names and what the total data collected over 2.8oo people, dates back to about the year 1600. As the existing matriculation books of the parish Zistersdorf until 1626 entries have, what the reasons are set out in Appendix I, the news of the oldest ancestors, in the entry of the marriage book of the parish Zistersdorf be found, is recorded where that Philip Fraen (Frohner ) on 15 August 1646 in the (United) Inzersdorf married resident Maria Stöttner. The note in the marriage register reads: "Philip Fraen, unmarried status, a Pauer servant, the late Hannss Fraen blessed survivors, son, takes in marriage Mariam, the late Benedict blessed Stöttner daughter left behind." Here, then in 1646 married two orphan children! It is therefore quite remarkable, because the Swedes after the battle of Jankau south of Prague (6th 3rd 1645) in which they have defeated an imperial army of, among their general Lennard Torstenson Lower Austria invaded and have devastated the wine district. The Village (Large) Inzersdorf was particularly affected: there were 153 people killed by the Swedes and the massacre apparently persuaded the city to Zistersdorf to surrender to the Swedes. In the summer of 1646, the Swedes were forced back to the north (to recapture the towns had become fortresses Swedish Krems on 5 on 4, 8, 5 and Korneuburg 1646). Inzersdorf was obviously the most part (or all?) Burned down. In any case, record the Urbar over many years "bleak houses" from which no taxes were levied. For the six Lehner-house No. 123 is as an owner in 1553, as the land register of the rule Wolkersdorf began, noted a Michael Holzer and his wife Catharina. This is followed without giving dates, the owners Valtl Khaufmann and Benedict Gstöttner (Stöttner) and is registered with the year 1674 Philip and Mary Fronner Fronner.

We can conclude from these records that the two spouses Philipp Fraen / Fronner (Frohner) and Maria have Stöttner (Gstöttner) married after the departure of the Swedes and their fathers have been killed by the Swedes likely. Furthermore, should the place (Large) Inzersdorf have been so badly devastated that a regular life is possible only after many years, and until 1674 Wolkersdorf rule has returned to their proper duties. The disaster of the Swedish invasion but also the possibility for the "Pauer servant Philip Fraen / Fronner have offered to become the farmers of the House (Large) Inzersdorf No. 123, however, he had this half Lehner - Setting up good again until completely set up and organize. This first couple Frohner as farmers in the United Inzersdorf is the end of the 17th Century and died there to record the Book of the Dead, "Philip Fronner, conductus 10th 9. 1693, turned to art Mitnachbar Inzersdorf, age 70 years "and" Maria Fronnerin, born Stöttner, conducta 11th 10 in 1696 with 75 year ". The data give the day of the funeral of (conductus). If we now return the age indication, is Philip Fronner born in 1623 and his wife Mary in the year 1621. An exact date of birth can not be determined because the matriculation registers of the parish Zistersdorf begin 1626th The father of Philip Fronner, Hannss Fraen is comfortable with the birth of his son Philip 20 years old or older have been something, so that you can start date of birth close to the year 1600. He was certainly not a farmer in the United Inzersdorf because the land register is called back to 1553 no Fraen / Fronner. He must be just have been a servant (famulus rusticus) as originally his son Philip. In the time of feudalism, the peasants, far beyond the natural attachment to their possessions (house, yard and ground) also cleared at the Basic rule bound and were allowed to "leave their land" without their consent. For the servants, that is for a servant to hit this at all. It could change slightly in space, then switch from one farmer to another and just wander from one place to another. An assumption of where are the Hannss Fraen and whose ancestors came here was for us not even in terms of any reasonable speculation is possible, but they may well have lived in the United Inzersdorf and the environment for generations back.

to Frohner spelling of the name is to be noted at this point that the name phonetically well known as always has, however, has changed its spelling and that it is the opinion of the individual writers. Then come the forms Fraen, Froner, and later Fronner Frohner before and they also switch back and forth, even if only one person affected. Thus, the above treated Philipp is written as Fraen and Fronner. The written name Frohner on the 26th for the first time 8. 1803 Rosalia Frohner get baptized in the parish register noted, with her parents Gregory and Rosalia Frohner, born Wiesinger, are written there Sun It is then the spelling Frohner again changed back to Fronner in a "mess" back and forth. From 1826 is the common spelling "Frohner" throughout. The unification the spelling is associated apparently with the literacy of the population, where they secured his name in a writing, because you can write it yourself (Empire - Adult Education Act and compulsory education under Empress Maria Theresa). Also, the reform of the parish division by Emperor Josef II, the pastor in the professional management of the matriculation books, as it committed to officials of the state and thus the accuracy. The different spelling of the family name does not lead to a "blurring" of genealogy, because of the individual entries, particularly in the wedding books, where most names are mentioned (groom and bride, the mutual Parents often or more recently, the respective grandparents) with appropriate care, and despite changing the identity of the person writing can be fixed unambiguously.

Those of us in the pedigree recorded current lines of Frohner back to Martin Fronner, baptized on 7 11. 1715 and was buried on 3 1. 1762 in United Inzersdorf. He is the most recent common ancestor and for him to go back all that we collect Frohner. There are therefore Frohner all that we know somehow and were able to capture in this Frohner from Martin, who lived from 1715 1762 in the United Inzersdorf.
Fronner Martin was married in 1 Marriage to Gertrude Glükh baptized 30 11. 1714, married to Martin Fronner 19 1. 1734 and was buried on 20 11. 1743, all in Great Inzersdorf. She is the master - Mother:
• Frohner in the Gr. Inzersdorf House No. 17 (Schinnerl house),
• Frohner in the Gr. Inzersdorf House No. 29 and former department store No. 164,
• Frohner in the Gr. Inzersdorf house No. 152 and before 140,
• Frohner of Vorarlberg, the size of the house. Inzersdorf No. 140 descended
• the Frohner Zistersdorf (Frohner host),
• the Fohn Loidesthal,
• the Frohner in Mistelbach (Frohner host),
• the Frohner in Graz and Vienna, descended on Zistersdorf from Gr. Inzersdorf,
• der Frohner in Perchtoldsdorf und Wien,
• der Marchfelder Frohner in Strasshof und Obersiebenbrunn,
• der Familie Wolenik,
• der Familien Wiesinger, Holzhauser, Kowanitsch, Schwarzmann, Probst und Glück in Gr. Inzersdorf, soweit sie eingeheiratete Vorfahren haben, welche den Namen Frohner getragen haben.
In zweiter Ehe war Martin Fronner verheiratet mit Anna Maria Kraupp, getraut mit Martin Fronner am 4. 2. 1744 und beerdigt am 15. 12. 1808, alles in Gr. Inzersdorf. Sie ist die Stamm – Mutter:
• der Frohner in Gr. Inzersdorf Haus Nr. 115, auch mit den Familien Kowanitsch und Schuller,
• der Frohner Gr. Inzersdorf Haus Nr. 48,
• der Frohner in Gaiselberg, weiter in Wien und Mödling,
• der Frohner in Dürnkrut,
• der ungarischen Frohner, die auf den Urenkel von Martin Fronner und Anna Maria Kraupp, Georg Frohner, getauft in Gr. Inzersdorf am 19. 6. 1814, zurückgehen, der dann nach Ungarn ausgewandert ist, dort Juliana Balogh geheiratet hat und am 20. 6. 1875 gestorben ist.

Die vielen Frohner stammen also aus Gr. Inzersdorf ab und haben sich dort vor etwa 300 Jahren in verschiedene Linien aufgespaltet. Unbekannt bleibt die Vergangenheit über den Urvater Hannß Fräner zurück. Es gab in Nordmähren, im Kuhländchen, einer deutschen Sprachinsel bis 1945 um die Städte Neutitschein ( Novy Jicin ) und Fulnek, auch Frohner, die aber 1945 durch den tschechoslowakischen Staat allesamt vertrieben worden sind. Sie und vor allem ihre Nachkommen leben in Nord- und Westdeutschland und sind sogar weiter in die USA ausgewandert. Das Kuhländchen als deutsche Sprachinsel ist alt, so war die Einwohnerschaft von Neutitschein bereits deutsch, als 1313 das Stadtrecht verliehen wurde. Ob es mit den Vorfahren der von dort vertriebenen Frohner und den aus Gr. Inzersdorf stammenden Frohner in weiterer Vergangenheit eine verwandtschaftliche Verbindung gibt, ist absolut unklar und es gibt jedenfalls vorläufig dahingehend keinerlei Anhaltspunkte.

Was ist zu den vom Hotelier Johann Frohner kolportierten und aus dem 30 jährigen Krieg vermeintlicherweise stammenden Adel zu sagen ?

Johann Frohner, the founder of the Hotel Imperial in Vienna, an important food, landowners and the racing operator, art collector and patron, in 1829 in Gr. Inzersdorf was born today of engaging his siblings with a short, printed and framed often stored message, according to which are descended from a Frohner Joseph Joachim Frohn, it is said was born in 1597 in a village in Württemberg as a farmer's son. He should have at the beginning of the 30 Years War took part in the Battle of White Mountain near Prague (1620) and have followed the defeated Elector Friedrich V of the Palatinate to Holland. For these services he was knighted by Emperor Ferdinand II in the nobility. His descendants were various officials and dignitaries were in the service of Prince Lowenstein - Wertheim and the kings of Bavaria and they had come to Austria.

Well, whatever you may want to this hypothesis of a noble descent, it can in terms of our Frohner - kin be so was not. We now know exactly:

• We know our ancestors in closed order from the present until the beginning of the 30-year war in 1618 and the Battle of White Mountain 1620th There are no Joseph Joachim below. It is also during this time none of our ancestors a warlike leader, what type and size However, gewesen. Alle waren in eindeutig nachweisbarer Manier aus Gr. Inzersdorf, niemand aus Württemberg oder sonst wo her ! Sie waren Bauern ab 1646 und vorher Knechte !
Mit dem 30 jährigen Krieg haben sie aber sehr wohl zu tun gehabt: Die Schweden haben ihre Eltern und Verwandten umgebracht, die Häuser angezündet und die Fluren verwüstet. Sie waren die Leidenden, die Unterlegenen und nicht die Anführer, die Akteure oder Sieger. Sie sind in keiner Weise belohnt worden, geschweige denn durch eine Adelsverleihung !

• Die Nachkommen des Josef Joachim aus Württemberg haben sich ausgebreitet nach Bayern und sind dort königliche Beamte und Funktionäre gewesen, danach erfolgte die weitere Fortpflanzung nach Österreich. Dabei geht sich vieles in zeitlicher Abfolge gar nicht aus ! Es kann in Bayern nur königliche Funktionsträger gegeben haben, sobald es dort Könige gab. Der erste König von Bayern war der vorherige Kurfürst Max Josef, den Napoleon als seinen Verbündeten im Rheinbund 1806 zum König von Bayern gemacht hat. Dieser Treuebruch der deutschen Fürsten hat damals den Kaiser Franz II veranlasst, die römisch – deutsche Kaiserkrone nieder zu legen ( Ende des alten deutschen Reiches ). Danach erst kann es königlich bayerische Würdenträger gegeben haben. Der Hotelier Johann Frohner ist in Gr. Inzersdorf 1829 geboren worden ( als Bruder unseres Urgroßvaters Anton Frohner, Gr. Inzersdorf Nr. 140 ). Als Erwachsener um 1850 müßte der spätere Hotelier Johann Frohner, wären seine Vorfahren königlich bayerische Funktionsträger gewesen, diese wenigstens bis zum Großvater zurück gekannt haben, also bis vor die königlich bayerische Zeit. Tatsächlich muß er seine Eltern und Großeltern als Bauern in Gr. Inzersdorf persönlich bestens gekannt haben. Nur zeitgleich könnte er über 2 Generationen zurück ( also bis zum Großvater ) theoretisch königlich bayerische Vorfahren gehabt haben, denn nur soweit ( bis 1806 ) reicht die königlich bayerische Zeit ! Es wäre ihm also persönlich durch eigene Erfahrung möglich gewesen abzuschätzen, dass er gar keine Vorfahren mit königlich bayerischen Funktionen haben konnte, einfach weil es sich zeitlich nicht ausgehen kann !

• Es ist nicht erklärlich, warum zur Feststellung einer etwaigen adeligen Abstammung man für den Hotelier Johann Frohner nicht das gemacht hat, was wir in unserer Ahnenforschung getan haben, nämlich über die bekannten Vorfahren ( Eltern, Großeltern ) in den Matrikelbüchern weiter zu forschen von Generation zu Generation, wobei man automatisch zu unserem Ergebnis gekommen wäre. Daß man das nicht gemacht hat, lässt den Verdacht aufkommen, dass die vom Hotelier Johann Frohner beschäftigten Ahnenforscher über Adelsregister und ähnliche Namen ( von Frohn ) ein gewünschtes Ergebnis produziert haben. Da der Hotelier Johann Frohner seine Verwandten, darunter jedenfalls unsere Großeltern, mit den Ergebnissen dieser Nachforschung beteilt hat, lässt wieder den Schluß zu, dass er daran irgendwie geglaubt hat und damit ( höchstwahrscheinlich ) betrogen worden ist.

Hinweise:

In Anlage II haben wir einige nicht mehr gebräuchliche Ausdrücke, wie sie in der Ahnentafel vorkommen, erläutert, um ein besseres Verständnis zu ermöglichen. Ebenso werden die bildlichen Symbole, welche verwendet werden, erklärt.

Dank:

Die für die Erstellung der Ahnentafel nötigen Erhebungen haben mehr als 5 Jahre in durchaus unterschiedlicher Intensität gedauert. Wir had to adjust, especially in the parish offices of Gr. Inzersdorf Zistersdorf and intensive surveys carried out, which required considerable time. Those days were a time of stress such pastors, which indeed had to be present at least during our surveys, even from responsibility for their care through its Office of the works of local historical source matriculation. In this sense, we thank
the pastor of Gr. Inzersdorf, John P. Szypulski, in addition to his master - Parish Gr. Inzersdorf still in full force in charge of the parish Loidesthal and also get transferred from the parish Zistersdorf the pastoral care of the village has Gaiselberg. He concluded by next workload is immense, could feel what we see. Nevertheless, his kindness was great for our work. We also thank
it been parish priest of Zistersdorf, P. Benedict Amon, who also made us even evaluate something in decay located and stored separately from marriage register 1626, which was very important to us.
Finally, to thank in a special way, our wives, the appropriate understanding mustered up to be perhaps something else strange weakness of the genealogy, which has indeed at times a very time-consuming and therefore grown the usual daily routine with his duties disturbing activity. Finally, we thank our sister Mitzi in size. Inzersdorf that has fed us so frequently and delicious.
the users of the pedigree, we want interesting discoveries!

Vienna and Seyring 25 March 2010


Josef Frohner Dr. Karl Frohner
Annex II

Glossary

Definitions:

Some terms that have been taken from the matriculation books that represent early as the authentic definition of the individual ancestors in society at the time fairly accurately to are no longer well known and familiar. They must therefore be explained at least to some extent. This applies primarily to the classification of the farmers and their economies in the system of feudalism. The relevant terms not completely disappear with the abolition of feudalism in 1848, but continued to be used to make familiar distinctions can.
The terms "whole chair, half-back, etc." to the time of colonization of our country in the wine district in the 11th Century. At that time, villages were laid out systematically, the town hall was divided according to position and credit rating and defines the number of bodies in a peasant village in terms of its viability. For example, had Gr. Inzersdorf from its inception 50 farm sites (4 full Lehner, Lehner, 46 / 2) and each farmer had in any Corridor a field. The whole thing was managed in the sense of three-field system.

half Lehner: peasant economy, the size was adequate for a family as the basis for life (such as a pair of draft animals required, etc.). All
Lehner: peasant economy, which already clearly also required servants to management. The house plots in the village were much larger than that around. 20-meter lanes length sized plot size of half Lehner.
quarter Lehner: If in Gr. Inzersdorf not exist, but are elsewhere, about in Eichhorn and low Absdorf. The smaller size was often justified by the possibility of intensive culture, such as viticulture.
Hofstattler: A farmer's body which originally was not present at the founding of the village. A Hofstattler then, was a farmer, who had a separate farm and reached through the purchase of individual lots or leasing of additional land by its economic size.
Häusler: Actually, no farmer, but one who could receive agriculture a minimum operation to continue (partial self-sufficiency), but which held mostly as artisans in the village a respected position (eg as a blacksmith, shoemaker, tailor, restaurant owner, Wagner, Binder etc.). The houses were often located outside the "normal line" (in the "gaps").
smallholders: There was minimal self-sufficiency, such as small livestock (goats, pigs, chickens, rabbits), the earnings was mostly as laborers, brick workers, street workers (Straßeneinräumer ") denied.
citizens (cives): The members of a municipality, which has then political rights (such as participation in the order of the mayor and city council, etc.). In Zistersdorf altberechtigten were the inhabitants citizens of the city.
neighbor (vicinus): A neighbor has a house and land owner, so such a border, which physically with its base to another base. Modern would this term with "Real Estate - Owner" Translation.
Mitnachbar: Member of the wealthy community.



Key:

used in the pedigree numbers have the following meanings:

rectangle surrounding the name: it is a male kin - relatives;
oval surrounding the name: it is a female family members. Married women are listed with the maiden name, is the name of a widow noted separately.
rectangular or oval shape with a bottom arranged a semicircle: The continuation of the pedigree is elsewhere. It happens, for example, that when a married couple, both partners ancestors in the pedigree , they are therefore listed separately in the sequence of ancestors of the two passages in question. Their descendants, however, are not listed with each parent, continuing the ancestral line, which would mean a duplication inflating, but only one parent (usually the male).
asterisk: to follow after the date of birth,
Little Wave: Then comes the day of baptism,
Winding Rings: Then comes the day of marriage,
Cross: This is followed by the date of death,
small coffin: After that, the day of the funeral .

Sometimes, especially in older times, it was only the day of baptism or burial of
collected. In neueren Zeiten ist der Tag der Geburt und der des Todes
immer verzeichnet worden und wird damit in der Ahnentafel angegeben.

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